Report: Obama backs Saudi plan to force Israel to 1949 borders, divide Jerusalem

[Israel Insider]

Despite all his election promises and assurances to Jewish groups and Israelis, Barack Obama plans to throw his weight behind the Saudi royal family's 2002 plan to roll back Israel to at least its 1949 borders, the Times of London reported Sunday, citing sources close to America’s president-elect.

While the Saudi plan calls for recognition of Israel by Arab states, such promises have historically proven of scant value relative to the "hard currency" of territorial retreats. Tzipi Livni, the Israeli foreign minister and leader of the ruling Kadima party, and President Shimon Peres, have said that the Saudi plan could be a starting point for discussions but have stopped far short of accepting it.

Contrary to Obama's promises at the last AIPAC conference in support of an "undivided Jerusalem" -- a position he retreated from days later -- the Saudi plan divides Jerusalem, hands over the Old City, Temple Mount and the adjacent Western Wall to the Arabs, and calls on Israel to take responsibility for the "Palestinian refugee problem." It requires Israel to restore the strategic Golan Heights to Syria and allow the Palestinians to establish their capital in east Jerusalem. It would dismantle all Jewish settlements and even Jewish suburbs of Jerusalem, dislocating nearly a half-million Israelis, and leaving the state behind what diplomatic dove Abba Eban described as "Auschwitz borders."

On a visit to the Middle East last July, the president-elect said privately it would be “crazy” for Israel to refuse a deal that could “give them peace with the Muslim world”, according to a senior Obama adviser.

Apparently there are many crazy Israeli, since the Saudi plan is unacceptable to the vast majority of Israelis, including Benjamin Netanyahu of the Likud, the frontrunner to be prime minister in the next round of elections, slated for February 2009.

The Arab peace plan received a boost last week when President Shimon Peres, a Nobel peace laureate and leading Israeli dove, commended the initiative at a Saudi-sponsored United Nations conference in New York, stepping far beyond the ceremonial role that the Presidential role typically accords. He was loudly applauded for sycophantically telling King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, who was behind the original initiative: “I wish that your voice will become the prevailing voice of the whole region, of all people.”

There are unconfirmed reports that the conference had to be temporarily suspended as Peres sought with difficulty to extract his proboscis from the rectum of the plenum.

A bipartisan group of senior foreign policy advisers have urged Obama to give the Arab plan top priority immediately after his election victory as the basis for an imposed solution on Israel. The advisers -- enemies of Israel all -- included Lee Hamilton, the former co-chairman of the Iraq Study Group, and Zbigniew Brzezinski, a Democrat former national security adviser.

Brent Scowcroft, a Republican former national security adviser and Israel bashed, piled on as well, suggesting that an early start to the Palestinian peace process was “a way to psychologically change the mood of the region”.

According to a Washington source, Obama told West Bank constable Mahmoud Abbas: “The Israelis would be crazy not to accept this initiative. It would give them peace with the Muslim world from Indonesia to Morocco.”

Dan Kurtzer, a former Ambassador to Israel, submitted a paper to Obama on the question before this month’s presidential elections arguing that trying to reach bilateral peace agreements between Israel and individual countries in the Middle East was a recipe for failure as the record of Bill Clinton and George W Bush showed. In contrast, the broader Arab plan “had a lot of appeal”. A leading Democratic expert on the Middle East said: “There’s not a lot of meat on the bones yet, but it offers recognition of Israel across the Arab world.”

[wharold]

Who could possibly be surprised at the position of Obama? Of course he sides with the truncation of Israel and a "peace" operation that seeks to determine through "peace" what the ?alestinians could not achieve through war; but it hardly stems the ideology of ?alestinianism that seeks no Israel at all.

This is how America turns against Israel, via Barak Hussein Obama. "Crazy" Israel is in his crosshairs. But of course, ?alestinianism isn't "crazy" no matter how accurately they adhere to the textbook definition of what "crazy" used to be.

[Isaac]

It is Livni, Peres and Kadima that are opening the door for this.

[RonaldH]

Shovav, Israel needs to get her story straight before they think about turning on anyone. This story in the Times is not a surprise and simply confirms what what a lot of people have inferred about the policies Obama will pursue from the advisors around whom he has surrounded himself. The Left in Israel has been salivating over an Obama presidency for months and Jews in the US voted 78% for him. Jews have no one to blame but themselves if Obama brings a policy to the table they don't like. I will be praying to G-d to help Israel during this crisis. G-d is the only comfort I have at this time.

[Isaac]

RonaldH, the Left in Israel and in the US will like what Obama brings to the table. That is what they want and that is what they intend to get at any price--peace at any price. It's the old appeasement game. It didn't work before WWII and it won't work now.

Crazies (like, apparently, shovav and wharold) want to see everyone turn against Israel to prove their weird theology: Everyone turns against Israel, the Messiah comes to the rescue. (It is just as whacko as the ruler of Iran who wants to create a world crisis to bring back the 12th Imam.) This imaginary strong-man Messiah will then put everyone in their place, including the goishe Christian USA, by golly.

There's a lot of weird stuff going on right now. A lot of weird people with weird ideas. Keep praying, Ron. Let us pray that "God grant us the serenity to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

[June Perez]

The stage is set and the process has begun !
Islamic nations will initiate a future peace plan. a radical Islamic lead will unite a coalition and terrorize the world with weapons of mass destruction. He will attack the Jews and the United States.
Muslims all over the world are anticipating the arrival of the Mahdi , an Islamic Messiah who they believe will convert the world to Islam. Jersalem and Isreal will be the center of conflict and Iran & Iraq will be major players together with China and Russ , , , and the United States are smack in the middle of it , , ,pray !

[Whatistruth?]

What a crock!

President Bush and his Administration have suffered unending ridicule and condemnation for the Iraq war because "they didn't anticipate the insurgency". Obama himself blasted Bush on this point numerous times because "the intelligence was there" concerning the political/religious complexities in Iraq but Bush never asked for it so he said.

And now Obama knows what it's going to take to bring peace to Israel and her Arab neighbors?? Again I say: What a crock!!

If ever there was Intelligence regarding the political/religious complexities in a particular conflict it would be the Pal/Israeli. How many years has our State Department been tracking it under a microscope?? And Obama thinks there is a political solution to be had that will usher in peace for the Jews???

Somebody wake Sharon up from his coma! Call Kahane back from the dead!!

The pundits point to peace with Egypt and Jordan as successes.., but don't hold your breath too long. Does anybody see a Palestinian, Syrian or Saudi peace partner anywhere on the horizon that resembles the likes of Anwar Sadat or King Hussein?

Oh, I forgot.. Obamassiah to the rescue!

what a crock.

[JMKC]

"On a visit to the Middle East last July, the president-elect said privately it would be “crazy” for Israel to refuse a deal that could “give them peace with the Muslim world”, according to a senior Obama adviser."

Obama is deluded to voice that there could ever be peace with the Muslim World.
Either he believes and idolizes their propoganda, or he knows he is fulfilling his evil destiny.

Interesting, today in history;
1. November 16, 1914, New Fatherland League launched in Germany
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=52128
2. November 16, 1941, Goebbels publishes his screed of hate
http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=6382

[maria]

Obama is an obscure character with very extreme liberal views dangling in the border (if not over) socialist communism, his writings give an inside look to his ideology. He has shown great contempt for policies, (US and abroad) ignoring it all if it is not selfserving. He has deceived everyone, to obtain such power stepping (stabbing) over all, who stands on his quest to grasp it. I called him a lying CCC (copycat cheating chameleon) as he has the ability to appear what he is not and continue his crusade undetected, you can bet your life on it, if it will glorify him, if it will extend his opportunity to acquire absolute power, Obama will not blink an eye to use any means to achieve it. When it comes to that, he would not hesitate to severe ties with friends, allies, even family members, nothing will stand on his way, it has been proven on a lesser scale throught the rising to attain the covetted position as the leader of the free world, an attribute that would not apply any longer, if that's what it will take to satisfy his ambition.
LIBERTY

I gave you a voice, for you could be heard...
I gave you a land, of riches beyond belief...
I was forever vigilant, protected, guided you..
I sheltered all with open arms, comforted you...

Now vested of deep sorrow, unnoticed in silence I weep...
for some of my sons and daughters, to my rape have fallen, deaf and silent....
for some of you, have stood indiferent to this relentless siege....
oblivious of those, whose blood for you they have shed....

As you side with those that wounded me,..
that defecated my flag, degraded my honor....
in pursuance of false ideals, you have abandoned me...
I AM YOUR CONSTITUTION, YOUR COUNTRY, YOUR NATION!!!
forsaken by your blind quest, filled by your delusional null ambitions...
I am rendered helpless as you, foolishly relinquish my most precious asset:
YOUR FREEDOM!!!

[joel steinberger]

Subject: FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008

IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008 ISRAEL HAS ACCOMPLISHED THE FOLLOWING:








IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008 ISRAEL HAS ACCOMPLISHED THE FOLLOWING: Scientists in Israel , found that the brackish water, drilled from underground desert aquifers, hundreds of feet deep, could be used to raise warm-water fish. The geothermal water, less than one-tenth as saline as sea water, free of pollutants, and a toasty 98 degrees on average, proves an ideal environment.



2. Israeli-developed designer-eyeglasses, promise mobile phone and iPod users, a personalized, high-tech video display. Available to US consumers next year, Lumus-Optical's lightweight and fashionable video eyeglasses, feature a large transparent screen, floating in front of the viewer's face that projects their choice of movie, TV show, or video Game.



3. When Stephen Hawkins visited Israel recently, he shared his wisdom with scientists, students, and even the Prime Minister. But the world's most renown victim of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), or Lou Gehrig's disease, also learned something, due to the Israeli Association for ALS' advanced work in both embryonic and adult stem cell research, as well as its proven track record with neurodegenerative diseases. The Israeli research community is well on its way, to finding a treatment for this fatal disease, which affects 30,000 Americans.



4. Israeli start-up, Veterix, has developed an innovative new electronic capsule that sits in the stomach of a cow, sheep, or goat, sending out real-time information on the health of the herd, to the farmer via Email or cell phone. The e-capsule, which also sends out alerts if animals are distressed, injured, or lost, is now being tested on a herd of cows, in the hopes that the device will lead to tastier and healthier meat and milk supplies.



5. The millions of Skype users worldwide will soon have acc ess to the newly developed KishKish lie-detector. This free internet service,20based on voice stress analysis (a technique, commonly used in criminal investigations), will be able to measure just how truthful that person on the other end of the line, really is.



6. Beating cardiac tissue has been created in a lab from human embryonic stem cells by researchers at the Rappaport Medical Faculty and the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology's biomedical Engineering faculty. The work of Dr. Shulamit Levenberg and Prof. Lior Gepstein, has also led to the creation of tiny blood vessels within the tissue, making possible its implantation in a human heart.



7. Israel 's Magal Security Systems, is a worldwide leader in computerized security syst ems, with products used in more than 70 countries around the world, protecting anything from national borders, to nuclear facilities, =2 0 refineries, and airports. The company's latest Product, DreamBox, a state-of-the-art security system that includes Intelligent video, audio and sensor management, is now being used by a major water authority on the US east coast to safeguard the utility's sites.



8. It is common knowledge that dogs have better night vision than humans and a vastly superior sense of smell and hearing. Israel 's Bio-Sense Technologies, recently delved further, and electronically analyzed 350 different barks. Finding that dogs of all breeds and sizes, bark the same alarm when they sense a threat, the firm has designed the dog bark-reader, a sensor that can pick up a dog's alarm bark, and alert the human operators. This is just one of a batch of innovative security systems to emerge from Israel, whi ch Forbes calls 'the go-to country for anti-terrorism technologies.'



9. Israeli company, BioControl Medical, sold its first electrical stimulator to treat urinary incontinence to a US company for $50 Million. Now, it is working on CardioFit, which uses electrical nerve stimulation to treat congestive heart failure. With nearly five million Americans presently affected by heart failure, and more than 400,000 new cases diagnosed yearly, th e CardioFit is already generating a great deal of excitement as the first device with the potential to halt this deadly disease.



10. One year after Norway's Socialist Left Party launched its boycott Israel campaign, the importing of Israeli goods has increased by 15%, the strongest increase in many years, Statistics Norway reports.







In contrast to the efforts of tiny Israel to make contributions to the world so as to better mankind, one has to ask what have those who have strived to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth done other than to create hate and bloodshed
















Subject: FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008

IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008 ISRAEL HAS ACCOMPLISHED THE FOLLOWING:








IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008 ISRAEL HAS ACCOMPLISHED THE FOLLOWING: Scientists in Israel , found that the brackish water, drilled from underground desert aquifers, hundreds of feet deep, could be used to raise warm-water fish. The geothermal water, less than one-tenth as saline as sea water, free of pollutants, and a toasty 98 degrees on average, proves an ideal environment.



2. Israeli-developed designer-eyeglasses, promise mobile phone and iPod users, a personalized, high-tech video display. Available to US consumers next year, Lumus-Optical's lightweight and fashionable video eyeglasses, feature a large transparent screen, floating in front of the viewer's face that projects their choice of movie, TV show, or video Game.



3. When Stephen Hawkins visited Israel recently, he shared his wisdom with scientists, students, and even the Prime Minister. But the world's most renown victim of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), or Lou Gehrig's disease, also learned something, due to the Israeli Association for ALS' advanced work in both embryonic and adult stem cell research, as well as its proven track record with neurodegenerative diseases. The Israeli research community is well on its way, to finding a treatment for this fatal disease, which affects 30,000 Americans.



4. Israeli start-up, Veterix, has developed an innovative new electronic capsule that sits in the stomach of a cow, sheep, or goat, sending out real-time information on the health of the herd, to the farmer via Email or cell phone. The e-capsule, which also sends out alerts if animals are distressed, injured, or lost, is now being tested on a herd of cows, in the hopes that the device will lead to tastier and healthier meat and milk supplies.



5. The millions of Skype users worldwide will soon have acc ess to the newly developed KishKish lie-detector. This free internet service,20based on voice stress analysis (a technique, commonly used in criminal investigations), will be able to measure just how truthful that person on the other end of the line, really is.



6. Beating cardiac tissue has been created in a lab from human embryonic stem cells by researchers at the Rappaport Medical Faculty and the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology's biomedical Engineering faculty. The work of Dr. Shulamit Levenberg and Prof. Lior Gepstein, has also led to the creation of tiny blood vessels within the tissue, making possible its implantation in a human heart.



7. Israel 's Magal Security Systems, is a worldwide leader in computerized security syst ems, with products used in more than 70 countries around the world, protecting anything from national borders, to nuclear facilities, =2 0 refineries, and airports. The company's latest Product, DreamBox, a state-of-the-art security system that includes Intelligent video, audio and sensor management, is now being used by a major water authority on the US east coast to safeguard the utility's sites.



8. It is common knowledge that dogs have better night vision than humans and a vastly superior sense of smell and hearing. Israel 's Bio-Sense Technologies, recently delved further, and electronically analyzed 350 different barks. Finding that dogs of all breeds and sizes, bark the same alarm when they sense a threat, the firm has designed the dog bark-reader, a sensor that can pick up a dog's alarm bark, and alert the human operators. This is just one of a batch of innovative security systems to emerge from Israel, whi ch Forbes calls 'the go-to country for anti-terrorism technologies.'



9. Israeli company, BioControl Medical, sold its first electrical stimulator to treat urinary incontinence to a US company for $50 Million. Now, it is working on CardioFit, which uses electrical nerve stimulation to treat congestive heart failure. With nearly five million Americans presently affected by heart failure, and more than 400,000 new cases diagnosed yearly, th e CardioFit is already generating a great deal of excitement as the first device with the potential to halt this deadly disease.



10. One year after Norway's Socialist Left Party launched its boycott Israel campaign, the importing of Israeli goods has increased by 15%, the strongest increase in many years, Statistics Norway reports.







In contrast to the efforts of tiny Israel to make contributions to the world so as to better mankind, one has to ask what have those who have strived to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth done other than to create hate and bloodshed


















Subject: FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008

IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008 ISRAEL HAS ACCOMPLISHED THE FOLLOWING:








IN THE FIRST SIX MONTHS OF 2008 ISRAEL HAS ACCOMPLISHED THE FOLLOWING: Scientists in Israel , found that the brackish water, drilled from underground desert aquifers, hundreds of feet deep, could be used to raise warm-water fish. The geothermal water, less than one-tenth as saline as sea water, free of pollutants, and a toasty 98 degrees on average, proves an ideal environment.



2. Israeli-developed designer-eyeglasses, promise mobile phone and iPod users, a personalized, high-tech video display. Available to US consumers next year, Lumus-Optical's lightweight and fashionable video eyeglasses, feature a large transparent screen, floating in front of the viewer's face that projects their choice of movie, TV show, or video Game.



3. When Stephen Hawkins visited Israel recently, he shared his wisdom with scientists, students, and even the Prime Minister. But the world's most renown victim of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), or Lou Gehrig's disease, also learned something, due to the Israeli Association for ALS' advanced work in both embryonic and adult stem cell research, as well as its proven track record with neurodegenerative diseases. The Israeli research community is well on its way, to finding a treatment for this fatal disease, which affects 30,000 Americans.



4. Israeli start-up, Veterix, has developed an innovative new electronic capsule that sits in the stomach of a cow, sheep, or goat, sending out real-time information on the health of the herd, to the farmer via Email or cell phone. The e-capsule, which also sends out alerts if animals are distressed, injured, or lost, is now being tested on a herd of cows, in the hopes that the device will lead to tastier and healthier meat and milk supplies.



5. The millions of Skype users worldwide will soon have acc ess to the newly developed KishKish lie-detector. This free internet service,20based on voice stress analysis (a technique, commonly used in criminal investigations), will be able to measure just how truthful that person on the other end of the line, really is.



6. Beating cardiac tissue has been created in a lab from human embryonic stem cells by researchers at the Rappaport Medical Faculty and the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology's biomedical Engineering faculty. The work of Dr. Shulamit Levenberg and Prof. Lior Gepstein, has also led to the creation of tiny blood vessels within the tissue, making possible its implantation in a human heart.



7. Israel 's Magal Security Systems, is a worldwide leader in computerized security syst ems, with products used in more than 70 countries around the world, protecting anything from national borders, to nuclear facilities, =2 0 refineries, and airports. The company's latest Product, DreamBox, a state-of-the-art security system that includes Intelligent video, audio and sensor management, is now being used by a major water authority on the US east coast to safeguard the utility's sites.



8. It is common knowledge that dogs have better night vision than humans and a vastly superior sense of smell and hearing. Israel 's Bio-Sense Technologies, recently delved further, and electronically analyzed 350 different barks. Finding that dogs of all breeds and sizes, bark the same alarm when they sense a threat, the firm has designed the dog bark-reader, a sensor that can pick up a dog's alarm bark, and alert the human operators. This is just one of a batch of innovative security systems to emerge from Israel, whi ch Forbes calls 'the go-to country for anti-terrorism technologies.'



9. Israeli company, BioControl Medical, sold its first electrical stimulator to treat urinary incontinence to a US company for $50 Million. Now, it is working on CardioFit, which uses electrical nerve stimulation to treat congestive heart failure. With nearly five million Americans presently affected by heart failure, and more than 400,000 new cases diagnosed yearly, th e CardioFit is already generating a great deal of excitement as the first device with the potential to halt this deadly disease.



10. One year after Norway's Socialist Left Party launched its boycott Israel campaign, the importing of Israeli goods has increased by 15%, the strongest increase in many years, Statistics Norway reports.







In contrast to the efforts of tiny Israel to make contributions to the world so as to better mankind, one has to ask what have those who have strived to eliminate Israel from the face of the earth done other than to create hate and bloodshed















if you are aware of the vast contributions of Israeli science to the benefit of all human beings on the planet, not only consistently since its creation, but the flood in the last six months alone, you would begin to realize that whatever has sourced this incredible creativity is not of this world, and that all of us must do all we can to preserve this World resource called Israeli creativity.

[Sharbano]

The Jews have been ahead of the game going back millenium. It was back then that the idea of the earth being a ball was first revealed and that part of the earth was in light and part in darkness and part of the earth was light most of the time and only dark for a short time. The calculation of the day recorded in Talmud was So accurate that only recently was it found to be true. Also with the numbering of the stars. The Hubble telescope recently revealed the number and the Talmud was so accurate that the difference is negligible. All this was done by the "primitive" Jews of that time. The calculation of "pi" is concealed in Torah. There's a great deal more that few realize. The advent of schools for young children started over 2000 years ago by the Jews, but schools originated with Abraham and Sarah for adults. Is it any wonder the first thing a Jewish community starts is a school. Even the simple things as "washing" before eating, of which the "Pharisees" made mention, began with the Jews. It can be said that if it weren't for the Jew there would be No civilization. People Want to believe the Greeks gave much of what is in the world today, freedom, democracy etc but, in fact, they derived it From the Jews. People will assume the US has it's foundation in the 10 Commandments alone but it was in the whole of Torah that it was based. Little do people know the contributions Made by the Jews. It's Much More encompassing that what one sees on the surface.